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Saturday, June 02, 2007

Shrek III "a ploy to desensitize children to transgenders"

Well, according to this fuckwit.

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Lynn Jones  If that really is the case, maybe some episodes of Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, Big Moma's House, The Klumps, Nutty Professor, etc should go too. I don't think young kids get it (adult propaganda) to be honest.

I dunno, when you start using Orges and talking donkeys as role models - I think you've got enough issues already. 
Emma G  Intertesting Choice of terminology Becky. But a bit too on the active side for the concrete that such "conservatives" use for brains. It's a pity that virtues like understanding, compassion or knowledge aren't on their conservative conservation list. They sure do seem to be rare enough amongst "conservatives" overall. But I guess they can't be fossilized enough to fit the rigid standards of their list. 
Carolyn Ann  The Great Christian Conservative, otherwise known as a Fundamentalist. They're not known for subtlety, or understanding of anything other than simplistic ideas.

Challenge them to a "nature of God" debate if you want to have a bit of fun. :-) (On the other hand, that's likely to lead you into dark and dismal territory you probably don't want to know. Revelations is very real for many of these people.)

(I'm too devilish...)

Carolyn Ann 
Carolyn Ann  After a bit of (misguided?) fun, I have to settle down to the view that while I find "Fran's" opinion reprehensible, she is entitled to hold it. She's also allowed to state it.

I'd be hypocritical if I considered her viewpoint any other way. And as I strive to avoid that, I'm going to write a defense of right to her view. Even as I find her actual opinion, as I say, quite naive, reprehensible and ridiculous in its foundation and complete lack of compassion and plain human sympathy.

Her right to cause offense exceeds my right to silence her. And of course, it is Becky's right to call her whatever Becky wants to. While I might appoint her a different title, I most assuredly agree with the sentiment.

Thanks for pointing it out, Becky!

Carolyn Ann 
Jessica Hart  As both a transgendered person and an evangelical Christian, I sometimes find it hard to comprehend which one society treats with the greatest disdain.

Articles like Ms Eaton's sadden me. They show a bigoted, out of touch uncaring side to the Christian experience, and not one which I feel at all sympathetic towards.

Like CarolynAnn I'd defend, to my dying day, her right to speak and to hold those views, but it pains me that the christian faith is used to cloak views that are clearly wrong, and lack compassion, understanding, inteligence and seem, ostensibly, the verge on bigotry (note I am not going to call Ms Eaton a bigot).

A read of any of the Gospels reveals Jesus Christ the man to be edgy, controversial, challenging to the ills of the society of the day and generally a all round good egg - I don't like saying it, but I feel sure he would be speaking out against the likes of Ms Eaton were he here today just like he spoke out against the Pharisees in 1st Century Judea.

Right I'm going to lie down and let my blood pressure recover! 
Alli' Cat'  The fact that Fran Eaton got severely roasted for her narrow-minded bigotry made me feel all warm and fuzzy. 
Jane  It's probably good that she's never been to a panto 
Becky  "while I find "Fran's" opinion reprehensible, she is entitled to hold it. She's also allowed to state it."

Oh Carolyn, not this again. :-(

Of course she's allowed to hold it, and state it. It doesn't mean it's right.

Why do you feel it necessary to point out that she's entitled to have this opinion, when no-one is saying she doesn't? That isn't what I was suggesting, and quite frankly I resent the implication that by pointing out her fuckwittedness I'm stifling her right to a point of view. 
Sarah Fenton  Hah ! the Gender Genie reckons Fran's a man. 
Penny M  OK, so Illinois is off my list of places to visit. That means I will never get to see the erm... or experience...

Hmm, is there anything of interest in Illinois? 
Carolyn Ann  That's weird. I wrote a bit of an explanation, and an apology. And also about what's in Illinois. I hit "Publish" and nothing seems to have happened. I wonder if I screwed up in my bleary-eyed state?

Here goes, again:
I was disheartened by the "noise" in the comments of the Illinois Review. What Eaton said was horrible, but some of the comments were equally as disrespectful.

I did waffle a bit, and I apologize for that. I felt I was leaving myself (unintentionally) open to charges of hypocrisy, so I (inarticulately) tried to address any such charges.

Illinois has Chicago, with its incredible architecture, and wonderful parks. It also has Oak Park (just to the west of Chicago) that has an entire area of Frank Lloyd Wright houses - all beautifully kept; definitely worth a trip to see if you're into architecture.

Illinois also has the "Lincoln Memorial", where Lincoln's buried. That's worth a visit in itself. Quite spectacular.

Hopefully this won't be a repeat of my previous apology.

Carolyn Ann 
Natalie  The comments just get funnier the closer you get to the end....

Great link Becky. 
Lynn Jones  > anything of interest in Illinois?

American WMDs? :-) 
Emma G  I'm definitely in favor of free thought, free expression and free speech, but not without actual informed thought having occured first, before the words fly out the ever open door of the mouth.
You have to know what you ARE attempting to express at the very least. Uniformed expression is expected in children. They are supposedly guided in that expression by responsible adults and taught they are responsible for that expression, and that it has consequences, constructive and destructive.
Where does our responsibility as theoretical "adults" come into this issue? I do not see this as just a Fundamentalist Christian issue. Any ideology is capable of irresponsibility. My right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has a condition that I am responsible for not destroying your right to the same. Both of us have an equal responsibility to know how to do this. 
Carolyn Ann  I'll be more than happy to debate the meaning of "free expression", but not here! :-)

No offense to Becky, but my opinion on the matter isn't exactly popular. As you know, I write about the subject quite extensively. (That is not supposed to be a plug, by the way. Just an observation.) I'll be more than happy to debate the topic with you, or anyone else if someone can suggest a suitable venue.

Carolyn Ann

PS To re-iterate: I think that what Eaton said was reprehensible; I read some of her other articles, and I pick up a definite fascist sentiment in them. Which isn't surprising, considering that the KKK remains popular in parts of Illinois (mostly the south).

Carolyn Ann 
Miss K  Revulsion at the reprehensible opinions expressed in this article aside, one very good reason to visit Illinois is that my band is playing two dates in Chicago in August as part of our US tour. If you can't bear to enter Illinois, go to Wisconsin, just around the corner where we have at least one further Midwest date.

That was a plug ;) 
Anonymous  What a load of shit you talk ..Fuck me get a life Bitch 

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