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This so annoys me ...
www.beckysweb.co.uk/beckysblog/2007/07/open-letter-to-stu...
I don't know what gives this guy the right to put other trannies down. This is not the first time he's done it as you can probably tell from some of the previous posts.
I don't think he realises that he does not in any way set 'standards' on how trannies should 'behave'. He doesn't seem to grasp the notion that everyone is 'different and that he has no right to put people down by simply not agreeing with something and then writing about it.
I seriously wonder about the type of lunatics he is on about. Takes one to know one.
I seriously think that he should at least walk a mile in some of our footsteps and not contend with being an on-line tranny. Then he should realise whats its all about.
I doubt that he would even make such statements in an open forum.
If anyone doesn't agree with this, don't hesitate to tell it to me. I am at least that intelligent enough to understand and not make assumptions.
I would so love to meet this bonehead in an open forum ...
Originally posted at 12:15PM, 23 July 2007 BST
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gingerbreadgirl edited this topic 7 hours ago.
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Hi Nina, just read it. I'm in full agreement with you hon. Would the author please stand up and be counted ?
Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion but in this case it seems like an introverted whinge in a personal Blog about whatever seems to be wrong with this part of the world. Further, I found the comments from other known people to be banal, trite, sycophantic and, by admission in one instance, alluding to an alcohol influenced opinion.
Why talk in secret ? Blogs are not as open , or as readily available as discussion groups , forums and, as the writer mentions, Flickr groups. Come out in the open if you feel critical. Tell those, who are the subject of your critique, how you feel . Lively debate may then ensue.
As it stands all we have is a personal rant in a lonely place.
My opinion ? Leave them off, life's too short :)
My opinion of his rant ? Misinformed, narrow , inflammatory , prejudicial and bigoted. Sounds like a severe case of internalised oppression linked to a covert genetic and sexual phobia.
Maybe I should post that in the Blog ....... ( note the excessive use of full stops to intimate cognative abdication) .......... Two things wrong with that statement , 1. ' Should' is not in my vocabulary , except for demonstration purposes ; 2. I cant be arsed ; 3. I can't count :)x
... Le grá ó .... Gina ... xxxxx ...
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What a load of crap. It's unvarnished eliteism and biggotry .
Society includes barbarians, the uneducated, drunks, the insane and trannies of all colors. The mark of a good society is how they treat the disadvantaged. I'm glad I don't live in Becky's world.
Angel the compassionate barbarian
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Angelina32310 edited this topic 6 hours ago.
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I'm to irked about it at present to make any sense and formulate a reply. I gotta wait a while ...
By the way ... I thought we were pirates back then?
Luv,
Nina
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My 'boy' family name in Irish translates as ' Hound of the Sea ', or in simple terms ' Pirate ' . I'm glad I don't live in Becky's world either Angelina , it's far too small and dark and gloomy :)
Love .. Gina ( must get off to the shops) Maria ... .xxxxx ..
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1. it's She. Not He.
2. She is entitled to their opinion. In many ways I agree with it. You are more than welcome to post your responses to it there, just like anyone else is.
3. Blogs are more open than many of the discussions on here. A flickr group is just a tiny fragment of an amorphous mass of tranny groups in a even bigger mass of non-tranny groups.
WIth reference to Becky's post - I don't think you've actually read it properly. Or if you have, I think you have missed the point she is making.
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Jo Angel edited this topic 4 hours ago.
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I am trying to get my head around this. But everyone’s right. We should just forget about it. But always beware that there are such people about.
I myself am guilty of making brash statements in the past. More often than not I wished I had never said stuff.
What got my goat today was about perpetuating the idea of being ‘different’ and then peddling this nonsense. And now the use of grammar and punctuation to mark differences? One of the respondents even uses it to amplify his point*.
What does that make me then? English is not my first language. Far from it.
The thing is, or rather the point is about being different. I made a mistake in this very group sometime ago of making a point across to some individuals. The same point about being different. I understand that we are all as different to one another. Some of us may be content with posting hundreds of images in hundreds of groups. Some of us may just be content with just posting a single image. Some of us, may lack the necessary skill in communication and use less than perfect English to get themselves heard.
The point is, we should not be thought ‘less’ for it. And we should not be subject to a non-existent norm.
Personally I feel that this should not go on. I think that these guys should take a wider look at the transgendered world and not merely what they think it should be. I don’t claim to be any better than these guys mind you. I simply lack the authority. But having my own experiences across the world and living full time in both genders, having transitioned twice, educated in two distinct cultures and living in three, background in legal, religious and scientific circles AND coming across and understanding the global transgendered phenomenon by LIVING in it, I would not like to be thought lesser if I used too many punctuation marks.
Or thought of as being mad for that matter.
Like I said, its about being different. That’s the unifying thing with all of us.
Luv,
Nina
* You should take look at this individual’s website. Trust me … you will not regret it.
@ Jo ... 'I think you are getting an overinflated sense of your own importance. ' ...
Me important? Hardly ... those who know me, know me to be the most unimportant person there is. Besides, its not me that you should be saying it to.
1) Putting on a dress does not make you a she. You should know that.
2) He told me once to 'f**k of his blog once. This, for being worried that somebody was about to take her life because of something he thought was a 'right' to write about.
3) So what are you saying? That this should be said in the blog?
And what was the point exactly if I got it wrong? I urge everyone to read it again and see whether I was wrong.
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gingerbreadgirl edited this topic 4 hours ago.
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Me important? Hardly ... those who know me, know me to be the most unimportant person there is. Besides, its not me that you should be saying it to.
which was why I just edited it out before you replied. it was meant about the groups importance. Not any one member's importance.
1) Putting on a dress does not make you a she. You should know that.
Ah good. A tranny hierarchy debate. It's a tranny convention to refer to a fellow tranny as She. To refer to one as He is the height of rudeness.
2) He told me once to 'f**k of his blog once. This, for being worried that somebody was about to take her life because of something he thought was a 'right' to write about.
I remember that. I'm not condoning or applauding that. It was Becky's decision to make. I think my views on fake tranny photos have already been expressed recently, and I am very much against them.
3) So what are you saying? That this should be said in the blog?
if you are so appalled and disgusted at the post then yes. A blog isn't just the initial post, its the discussion that goes on in the comments.
It was an open letter to a certain breed of flickr member - some people are immediately assuming its about them. I don't think she had you in mind, maybe not even this group.
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Jo Angel edited this topic 4 hours ago.
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Jo, why do you mention a heirarchy? You know thats not the case at all. I am not the least bit bothered with hierarchy. I am against it as well. And before you take this into a TV vs TS thing, please bear in mind that I am NOT a TS. Something a lot of people just simply assume without even bothering to check
Tranny conventions eh? What about the one about giving due consideration to others?
I am very much against posting fake photos myself. But Becky wasn't interested in the repercussions from her actions. She wasn't the one frantically calling the TS involved hoping that she was not going to do something nasty to herself.
'It was an open letter to a certain breed of flickr member - some people are immediately assuming its about them. I don't think she had you in mind,' - are you saying that its directed to someone or a group in particular? How is this different? Its just a 'playground mentality' if you ask me ...
Like I said I might be wrong in all this. I sure hope I am. But if I'm not ...
I'll let the others decide anyways.
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gingerbreadgirl edited this topic 3 hours ago.
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I agree with both of you 
Becky's pretty terse sometimes (maybe too often), but you can hardly accuse "it"s blog of being a secret place, its on the front page of google for the keyword "tranny"!
And you have to admit there are some right arseholes on these forums.
As for OTT puncutation... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Jo, why do you mention a heirarchy?
Because there are some who decide that there is a point along the "TG Spectrum" when someone should be referred to as "She". It's something i've noticed over the years. Your use of He sounded like it was going that way. If it wasn't then I apologise.
Is it aimed at one person? I don't know. I know that personally I have been rather frustrated at elements of our community recently. A community that I have spent 7 years actively promoting and supporting.
Now we can go on about "it's a broad church" and "each to their own" etc etc, but sometimes it can be very frustrating to see well meaning groups being derailed or interesting threads being disrupted. To see group admins called fascists or nazis for simply trying to maintain some semblance of order.
It gets to us sometime, that's all.
If Becky's post stimulates some discussion about this kind of thing then I am all for that.
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Jo Angel edited this topic 3 hours ago.
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Jo, I am sorry if I am coming off as being a bit vindictive. Sometimes when I I do read what I post, the little voice in my head screams it.
I am concerned with the TG community. I am concerned with how and where its going. I have been speaking to a lot of TG folk recently specifically about the community and its rights.
Why? Because I am worried of where this is all going. Why? Because try as I might to avoid it, I am part of it.
And these 'divisions' has got to stop. Its time we realise that everyone is in this together.
I just wish something positive can be done. Something that really means that an advancement has been made. Instead of TG folk taking potshots at one another. Anonymous or not. Groups or individuals.
It may just be me, but I don't see any sort of solidarity.
I cannot help people's perception of me. That much is unavoidable. Best I can do is ignore it and help those who really need it.
Thats all.
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gingerbreadgirl edited this topic 2 hours ago.
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I sense an invasion of testosterone . Jo, one day you're gonna come out of your corner hugging instead of fighting , Don't expect me to hang around for the event . Life's too short sweetie :)
.. Love .. Gina .. xxxxx ...
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Gina Maria Voynet edited this topic 2 hours ago.
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Gina, got anything useful to add, rather than having yet another go at me?
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Jo Angel edited this topic 49 minutes ago.
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Holy crap!
Perhaps she was just having a bad day? I can't believe that someone would actually feel so strongly about the topic to write that!
I'm with Tina! I've been a tgirl longer than many of these girls have been alive, been out, been in, seen it all, and I never can understand the reason for so much dislike within. I guess that we are just normal people that don't like some other people as in any grouping of similar interest groups, right? The difference is that within society and as well as groups, you don't outright blast off against people you don't see eye to eye with, you simple ignore them and be the bigger & better person. Everyone is entitled to be themselves.
As for Flickr, I 100% agree with Tina ( that Hottie!) and it should be lighthearted and fun! I wish all the girls would put up tons of pics! It's more fun to see a portfolio of them & see whatever they are into! I like to make a lot of comments when a pic sparks me the right way! There are some amazing girls here ( & yes, some that think they are better than the lot) and it is a joy when I see new pics from them. So please post pics, comments, and stop with the cliques and rules and regulations! ( Except nudity & porn-- I really cant believe how much of that is on Flickr). Sorry for being lomg winded!
Lisa
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LisaM CD edited this topic 86 minutes ago.
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Oh! Please feel free to comment on my new pics!
LOL
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Why talk in secret ? Blogs are not as open , or as readily available as discussion groups , forums and, as the writer mentions, Flickr groups. Come out in the open if you feel critical.
this is being said on a Private Flickr group that is closed to general membership...... kinda ironic no?
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